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2/6/17 8:29 PM 
mindya
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The waffling bigHand is denying the bible speaks of the presence or withdrawal of presence God based on a fawlty understanding of David's statement:

(Psa 139:7 KJV) Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

(Psa 139:8 KJV) If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Adolph' remarks from his commentary:


What Paul was accused of doing then, physically, he does now, in spirit, and far more, for we have free access to the Father's Presence
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In Christ we are complete and need naught else to fit us for the Father's Presence
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10 Like the centurion's servant, the nations who believed, when the evangel went forth after His resurrection, as recorded in Acts, had no personal contact with Him, and never knew His
Presence.

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37 This affecting farewell closes His mission to the holy city. If they will not have Him, He
must leave them exposed to the powers of darkness. With Him the Presence leaves the temple tenantless. Its empty grandeur continues for forty years and is then laid level with the dust
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45 The dread darkness was but an indication of the withdrawal of the divine Presence from the silent Sufferer. This was incomparably more awful than the opposition of His enemies or the desertion of His friends. Until this darkness enveloped Him, He had always lived in the light
of God's smile. Now He was hanging on a tree
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51 The flesh of Christ was figured by the curtain in the temple which hid the Presence of God from the holy place
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25 It is notable how little the letter of the law was observed in the Presence of God. The priests in the sanctuary profane the sabbath in their ministrations, yet are faultless (Mt.12:5) David took the show-bread, fresh from the holy place. All this makes it evident that the law was not meant for those in His Presence.
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38 The curtain of the temple was a symbol of His physical body. It is a mistake to suppose that God was manifest in His flesh (1 Tim.3:16). He was veiled, just as the curtain in the holy place veiled the holiest of all from view. It was the rending of the curtain by God which made manifest the way into the Presence of God.
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45 The rending of the curtain of the temple signified that the way into God's Presence was now open. Hitherto God had hid behind His flesh, now He was revealed through it.
It is the great problem that baffles men today put into a simple simile. Why does God allow
evil? Why does He not hasten to remove it? All that is needed is His Presence
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2 Can we not see, in the man lame from his birth, a close likeness to the people of Israel? They
had a beautiful way of approach to God, but it availed them little, for they were unable to walk
through it, into the divine Presence.
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5 How like are we to the lame man! We look to God for a bare alms, and He pours upon us the
true riches and adds the joy of His Presence
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This is the "beautiful gate" which leads us into the sanctuary where the Divine Presence assures us of joy unending and unalloyed. Let us ask, expecting to
receive
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Here it was that the Lord, who had led them from afar, manifested His Presence and
power by opening the heart of Lydia,
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Justification is the ground of peace. Sin no longer bars us from the Presence of God.
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8 As we did not die, but Christ was crucified for us, we may reckon His death as ours, fully
finishing our connection with sin, and His resurrection as ours also, for in Him we enjoy an
unclouded life in the Presence of God.
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He, of all Israelites, most deserved to be thrust from God's Presence and blessing

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No more can a man apprehend things divine without the interpretive Presence of
God's holy Spirit

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19 Wherever God dwells is the temple of God, and is hallowed by His Presence. It was not the stately buildings or the sacred ritual or even the sacrifices which hallowed the sanctuary, but the Presence of the glory of God in the holiest of all
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And that's not all of Adolph' remarks from his commentary.

"bad breath...bad research...bad presence"...



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2/6/17 8:39 PM 
cupocheer
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Are you talking about the Knoch who was a Gnostic Catholic?

2/6/17 8:49 PM 
mindya
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I've no clue who this agnostic catholic Gnoch is..

2/6/17 8:53 PM 
cupocheer
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hmmmmm... If he is the publisher of the Bible Concordance isn't he also the publisher of the Lighthouse tracts that the Jehova Witnesses pass out?



[Edited 2/6/2017 8:54:06 PM ]

2/6/17 8:59 PM 
mindya
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Vancouver, BC


No connection but similar theology.

2/6/17 9:03 PM 
cupocheer
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Okay, that must be why the BS sounded so familiar.