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8/30/17 8:49 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Brantford, ON

The courage shown by Chaplains under fire, is quite impressive and should never be forgotten. I think even Atheists would agree, that giving men comfort while dying while under fire them selves? Is admirable.

With one poster attacking them, I just thought it was proper to pay them the respect they deserve. No matter what denomination .

Feel free to share your own stories about Chaplains , I found this one shows how brave many of them were:

On the frigid night of Feb. 3, 1943, the overcrowded Allied ship U.S.A.T. Dorchester, carrying 902 servicemen, plowed through the dark waters near Greenland. At 1:00 a.m., a Nazi submarine fired a torpedo into the transport’s flank, killing many in the explosion and trapping others below deck. It sank in 27 minutes.
The two escort ships, Coast Guard cutters Comanche and Escanaba, were able to rescue only 231 survivors. In the chaos of fire, smoke, oil and ammonia, four chaplains calmed sailors and distributed life jackets:
Lt. George L. Fox, Methodist
Lt. Clark V. Poling, Dutch Reformed
Lt. John P. Washington, Roman Catholic
Lt. Alexander D. Goode, Jewish
When there were no more life jackets, the four chaplains ripped off their own and put them on four young men. As the ship went down, survivors floating in rafts could see the four chaplains linking arms and bracing themselves on the slanting deck. They bowed their heads in prayer as they sank to their icy deaths.

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Survivor Grady Clark wrote: “As I swam away from the ship, I looked back. The flares had lighted everything. The bow came up high and she slid under. The last thing I saw, the four chaplains were up there praying for the safety of the men. They had done everything they could. I did not see them again. They themselves did not have a chance without their life jackets.”
Congress honored them by declaring this “Four Chaplains Day.”
On Feb. 7, 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower spoke from the White House for the American Legion “Back-to-God” Program: “And we remember that, only a decade ago, aboard the transport Dorchester, four chaplains of four faiths together willingly sacrificed their lives so that four others might live. In the three centuries that separate the Pilgrims of the Mayflower from the chaplains of the Dorchester, America’s freedom, her courage, her strength, and her progress have had their foundation in faith. …”
Eisenhower continued: “Today as then, there is need for positive acts of renewed recognition that faith is our surest strength, our greatest resource. This ‘Back to God’ movement is such a positive act. … Whatever our individual church, whatever our personal creed, our common faith in God is a common bond among us. … Together we thank the Power that has made and preserved us a nation. By the millions, we speak prayers, we sing hymns – and no matter what their words may be, their spirit is the same – ‘In God is Our Trust.'”
Eisenhower stated in his address: “As a former soldier, I am delighted that our veterans are sponsoring a movement to increase our awareness of God in our daily lives. In battle, they learned a great truth – that there are no atheists in the foxholes.”
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www.wnd.com/2016/02/the-little-remembered-tale-of-4-brave-chaplains

[No Catholic or Protestant bashing will be tolerated on this thread.} Bravery knows not a denomination. Thank you,


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8/30/17 8:55 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Brantford, ON

This one brought a tear to my eye. Astounding courage by both of these Chaplains !

There is a fine story told on the authority of a wounded Australian. It says the bravest man he ever saw was a military chaplain.

He was on one of the barges which were landing men from our troopships at the Dardanelles. A man was shot down. The chaplain made a dash to rescue and bring the wounded soldier back to safety, but a Roman Catholic priest standing near grabbed hold of him, saying: "You must not think of it. It is madness. You are going to certain death."
The Protestant chaplain shook off the restraining hand, replying: "I have got my orders, and they come from a higher command; I am going."
He went, and was struck by a bullet while in the act of beginning his service of love and mercy. Instantly the priest sprang after him, but the officer in command of the landing party called out: "Stay where you are. I forbid your going. We are losing too many men."
The priest calmly went on, turning his head to say as he passed: "Did you not hear what my Protestant comrade said? I, too, have got my orders from the Higher Command."
Within a few moments he lay dead beside his brother of the Cross.
Tale of a brave chaplain | Otago Daily Times Online News
https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/100-years-ago/tale-brave-chaplain


8/30/17 12:38 PM 

ludlowlowell
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Panama City, FL


My story is not about individual bravery. My story is about how the Catholic religion cares for its dying and how the Protestant religion has nothing to offer for the dying.

8/30/17 1:04 PM 

a_nubian
Over 2,000 Posts (2,164)
Columbus, OH

Quote from ludlowlowell:
My story is not about individual bravery. My story is about how the Catholic religion cares for its dying and how the Protestant religion has nothing to offer for the dying.


Isa said
[No Catholic or Protestant bashing will be tolerated on this thread.} Bravery knows not a denomination. Thank you,


And I agree with him that Bravery knows not a denomination.


8/30/17 1:50 PM 

ludlowlowell
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (35,664)
Panama City, FL


This isn't about the individual Protestant chaplain vs. the individual Catholic chaplain. It is about the fact that the Catholic religion has a way of comforting the dying that the Protestant religion does not.

8/30/17 3:00 PM 

followjesusonly
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (12,635)
Kingman, AZ


Quote from isna_la_wica:

[No Catholic or Protestant bashing will be tolerated on this thread.} Bravery knows not a denomination. Thank you,


ISNA, look at this. Ludlow is already abusing and using your thread for his own self serving Catholic purposes:

My story is not about individual bravery. My story is about how the Catholic religion cares for its dying and how the Protestant religion has nothing to offer for the dying. This isn't about the individual Protestant chaplain vs. the individual Catholic chaplain. It is about the fact that the Catholic religion has a way of comforting the dying that the Protestant religion does not.


If you don't want your thread to go off the rails, you need to shut him down NOW. He never stops promoting.


8/30/17 4:01 PM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

Quote from ludlowlowell:
This isn't about the individual Protestant chaplain vs. the individual Catholic chaplain. It is about the fact that the Catholic religion has a way of comforting the dying that the Protestant religion does not.


Good bye Lud. You are one piss poor excuse from a Marine. My best buddy was one, he died of cancer back in 95. You shame him and those like him, who on the field do not care what denomination their Brother is.

Jack Ass.

We will be gone when the 24 hours is up.




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8/30/17 4:14 PM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

Thanks to every one else for having respect.

Staying with Australians for now. For those not familiar with British medals and honour? some of these are very impressive. like WOW.

Recognition for bravery and sacrifice
A total of 72 honours and awards were bestowed upon chaplains on active service with Australian forces during the First World War, including: two Orders of St Michael and St George; two Commanders of the Order of the British Empire; four Distinguished Service Orders; nine Officers of the Order of the British Empire; one Member of the Order of the British Empire; 23 Military Crosses; one French Croix de Guerre; and 31 Mentions in Despatches.
Eight chaplains from the First World War are commemorated on the Memorial’s Roll of Honour, and two are recorded on the Commemorative Roll.

Some well-known chaplains
Salvation Army padre William “Fighting Mac” McKenzie buried General William Bridges in Egypt. His good humour, booming voice and presence with his soldiers in the front line, even under shelling, made him a popular padre. McKenzie regularly risked his life to bury the dead and was well-known back home in Australia. More than 7,000 people attended his welcome home concert in Melbourne.
Anglican chaplain Walter Ernest Dexter was one of the longest-serving padres, enlisting in the AIF in September 1914 and serving until July 1920. He was also the most highly decorated chaplain in the Australian Army, being awarded the Distinguished Service Order and Military Cross, as well as being Mentioned in Despatches. He was also responsible for mapping the cemeteries on Gallipoli before the Anzacs were evacuated in 1915. Of the same faith, Frederick William Wray, was awarded an Order of St George and St Michael and made a Commander of the Order of the British Empire, as well as being Mentioned in Despatches twice. And the Oxford-educated William Maitland Woods, who gave lectures to the troops while in Egypt, was responsible for the excavation of the Shellal mosaic which now resides in the Australian War Memorial.
John Fahey was a Catholic padre from Perth. He was an excellent sportsman, with bush experience. Fahey was assigned to the 11th battalion and was the first chaplain ashore on Gallipoli, disregarding the order to stay on the ship. He was evacuated due to illness in November 1915 but re-joined the battalion in Egypt before being transferred to France in 1916. Fahey was the longest-serving front-line chaplain
Chaplains, Australian Army, First World War | The ...
https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/chaplains/first




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8/30/17 5:21 PM 

ludlowlowell
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (35,664)
Panama City, FL


Isna, you have completely misunderstood what I was trying to say here. Yes, there have been courageous Protestant chaplains, and no doubt some cowardly Catholic chaplains, but what I posited has nothing to do with that.

The point I was trying to make is that the Catholic religion, the Catholic faith, the Catholic Church itself, has, thanks to the supernatural powers and gifts given to it by its Founder Jesus Christ, things that it can offer a dying person, namely Confession, Communion, and Anointing. Protestantism has none of these. The worse Catholic priest can offer these to the dying person; the best Protestant minister cannot.


8/30/17 8:23 PM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

Many, many brave Chaplains of many den9minations have risked their luves to give comfort to the wounded and dying. And even back at base. Many young men have had counsiling when they recieved a dear John letter from home, or faced depression over stuff tbey did or seen.

And you diss them, say they do nothing ?

This thread is not about bashing other denominations.

You cannot even respect that.

Adios
.


8/30/17 8:27 PM 

ludlowlowell
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Panama City, FL


The Catholic dies with the sacraments. The Protestant dies with...not much of anything...

8/31/17 12:16 AM 

looptex1
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,578)
Chatsworth, GA

Quote from ludlowlowell:
This isn't about the individual Protestant chaplain vs. the individual Catholic chaplain. It is about the fact that the Catholic religion has a way of comforting the dying that the Protestant religion does not.
your so full of it lud.

You want comfort?
You want peace?

You look up my sister on facebook.
Susan Padgett is the name.

Take a scroll through her page, look at the videos made of my very own mother, a baptist, on her death bed, singing and such.

Watch the one just days before her death, she began singing a song she had written.

You don't know peace, you only know words to say in hopes that it bring some comfort to those dying or those being left behind.

If you want to know what peace looks like.
Go and see, the only thing your church gives people that Protestants don't is a hate for the church.


8/31/17 7:33 AM 

ludlowlowell
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (35,664)
Panama City, FL


But Looptex, Confession, Communion, and Anointing of the Sick are all in the Bible! Protestants go against the Bible when they omit these things.

How does the Catholic Church give a hate for the Church?

"How can you tell if someone is filled with the Holy Spirit? By how much they love the Catholic Church."

--St. Augustine




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8/31/17 7:42 AM 

looptex1
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,578)
Chatsworth, GA

Quote from ludlowlowell:
But Looptex, Confession, Communion, and Anointing of the Sick are all in the Bible! Protestants go against the Bible when they omit these things.

How does the Catholic Church give a hate for the Church?

"How can you tell if someone is filled with the Holy Spirit? By how much they love the Catholic Church."

--St. Augustine
and what makes you think we omit?

We confess to God.
We have communion, and we even wash feet...
Do you?
And we do Anoint, if someone ask, "the prayer of faith"

But, did you watch the videos?
Or are you afraid your claims of Protestants not having peace will become a lie?

You should go read and learns what the fruit of the spirit is.
You lack it very much so.
And according to the scriptures, we can know a tree by its fruit.


8/31/17 8:03 AM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

Please do not make this a Catholic verse Protestant thing. On the D Day beaches when 9 brave American Chaplains gave help , comfort , held gushing chest wounds closed trying to save life? They did not worry about that stuff.

Lud insists on doing this on every thread. ell do not get drawn in by him. He is gone from here in a little over an our when my 24 hours wait is up and I can block him.

You are not going to change Luds mind Loop. He has zero empathy. I would have shared with him some of the torment my Uncle suffered for years being a Chaplain in Korea and then in the 50`s for death row. But he does not want to listen. Its his problem.

I goofed yesterday and commented on his thread. So have to wait out the 24.

I`ll be looking up your Sister though. Thanks for the share.

I have huge respect for those who have the gift of giving comfort . And it is I think a gift. My buddy from NO , the Marine I mentioned who died of cancer , his widow became a Hospice nurse after she discovered her gift while watching her husband die.

And I have been in awe of her courage.


8/31/17 8:09 AM 

ludlowlowell
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Panama City, FL


You do not confess to a priest, as John 20:22 and James 5:16 require. Your "communion" is just a symbol---unless a validly ordained priest consecrates the bread and wine, the bread and wine remain bread and wine. Only the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox churches, and a few Pentecostal denominations anoint the sick, and in the latter case it is not a valid anointment because only a validly ordained priest can forgive sins.

I am glad your mother died at peace. The Church teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation but it also teaches that those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Catholic faith can also be saved, even if they don't formally convert to Catholicism. But think of the great comfort that is given the dying person, when that person dies with the Last Sacraments.


8/31/17 8:36 AM 

looptex1
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,578)
Chatsworth, GA

Quote from ludlowlowell:
You do not confess to a priest, as John 20:22 and James 5:16 require. Your "communion" is just a symbol---unless a validly ordained priest consecrates the bread and wine, the bread and wine remain bread and wine. Only the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox churches, and a few Pentecostal denominations anoint the sick, and in the latter case it is not a valid anointment because only a validly ordained priest can forgive sins.

I am glad your mother died at peace. The Church teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation but it also teaches that those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Catholic faith can also be saved, even if they don't formally convert to Catholicism. But think of the great comfort that is given the dying person, when that person dies with the Last Sacraments.
your ignorant lud.

Why does your church have to make exceptions?

There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church except?

Maybe that's because it isn't in the Catholic Church!!!

Jesus never made exceptions.

He never said, ye must be born again, unless,
He never said if ye believe I will give, unless
You church is full of "unless, and excuses"

As for our communion, your exactly right.
It is a just a symbol, a remembrance, as Jesus said it was.
As for our preachers, well, I need to inform you the Levitical priesthood ended, the priest hood has changed and jesus is the high priest, serving in the temple.

The rest, we're called of God, not appointed by man as your pope and your bishops.

You remember paul don't you?
Called to preach not by man but by God himself.

But you keep spouting off your lies, you do nothing for the cause of christ.


8/31/17 8:47 AM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

One of the most striking passages in the Bible that reflects the character of Christ, is I think the one about the Roman Centurion.

Pretty amazing really. And I bet it has inspired many Chaplains over the years.

Think about it. Jesus was Jewish, and the Centurion was not only his peoples enemy, but was a Soldier occupying his land. Not only that ? He was a high ranking Officer:

Matthew 8English Standard Version (ESV) The Faith of a Centurion
5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, 6 “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.” 7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant,[c] ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel[d] have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.

The Centurion told him : "8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant,[c] "

Jesus knew he him self would be taken to the Cross, under Roman authority.

But what did Jesus tell him?

'“Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel[d] have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness."

Pretty sure many over the years have contemplated this passage and what it really means. Especially Chaplains , Hospice nurses etc whose main function is to give comfort. Comfort sometimes to their enemy , people that have been or are Racist or are of a different Religion . Maybe even, a wounded enemy who took the life of that Chaplains buddy and friend?

Or a chaplain in a prison , whose job it is to care for a cop killer on death row, when they have a Son and brother in law who is a Cop.




[Edited 8/31/2017 8:49:47 AM ]