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4/20/17 3:53 PM 

isna_la_wica
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So, after you sin, what is the acceptable length of time to wait, till you get re saved? How many times, do you get "re-saved"? Ever sin, and before you do, actually think, I will have to make sure I repent and get re saved after I do "it"?

Every body admits they sin, but by ritual or getting re-saved, all is good !

Only one problem, if your Salvation relies on you, the "new Salvation" will end up the same as the "old one". Sorry, your works and ability to be sin free, is going to fail.

Being re-saved by your works, is like jumping on board the RMS Titanic.



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4/20/17 3:59 PM 

followjesusonly
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Kingman, AZ


Quote from isna_la_wica:
So, after you sin, what is the acceptable length of time to wait, till you get re saved? How many times, do you get "re-saved"? Ever sin, and before you do, actually think, I will have to make sure I repent and get re saved after I do "it"?

Every body admits they sin, but by ritual or getting re-saved, all is good !

Only one problem, if your Salvation relies on you, the "new Salvation" will end up the same as the "old one". Sorry, your works and ability to be sin free, is going to fail.

Being re-saved by your works, is like jumping on board the RMS Titanic.



Your salvation DOES rely on you. Jesus says so:

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

YOU MUST DO the Father's will to be saved. Jesus says so.


4/20/17 4:00 PM 

isna_la_wica
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They really need a second 'Christian " group on here.

The second group could have a disclaimer on it, for "sometimes Christians". After all, should one post on here, if they have not got re saved, re ritualized or shed enough tears after a sin?





[Edited 4/20/2017 4:01:29 PM ]

4/20/17 4:45 PM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

Quote from followjesusonly:
Your salvation DOES rely on you. Jesus says so:

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

YOU MUST DO the Father's will to be saved. Jesus says so.



Oh, so you are like lud, claim that we do not do the fathers will and have a lic not too? Doing the "fathers will, is not taking credit for what Jesus has done.


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Matthew 8:18-22 Amplified Bible (AMP)

Discipleship Tested
18 Now when Jesus saw a crowd around Him, He gave orders to cast off for the other side of the Sea of Galilee. 19 Then [on His way to board the boat] a scribe [who was a respected and authoritative interpreter of the Law] came and said to Him, “Master, I will accompany You [as Your student] wherever You go.” 20 Jesus replied to him, “Foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the [a]Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.” 21 Another of the disciples said to Him, “Lord, let me first go and [c]bury my father (collect my inheritance).” 22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me [believing in Me as Master and Teacher], and allow the [spiritually] dead to bury their own dead.”

Matthew 19:25-26 Amplified Bible (AMP)

25 When the disciples heard this, they were completely [a]astonished and bewildered, saying, “Then who can be saved [from the wrath of God]?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With people [as far as it depends on them] it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Romans 3:23 Amplified Bible (AMP)

23 since all have sinned and continually fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 8:38-39 Amplified Bible (AMP)

38 For I am convinced [and continue to be convinced—beyond any doubt] that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present and threatening, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the [unlimited] love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 10:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)

9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous—being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation.

And for those who think following Jewish laws is the" defining " mark of being a Christian? Read this while I have left overs from my "Pagan " Lamb dinner.

Luke 3:8 Amplified Bible (AMP)

8 Therefore produce fruit that is worthy of [and consistent with your] repentance [that is, live changed lives, turn from sin and seek God and His righteousness]. And do not even begin to say to yourselves [as a defense], ‘We have Abraham for our father [and so our heritage assures us of salvation]’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children (descendants) for Abraham [for God can replace the unrepentant, regardless of their heritage, with those who are obedient].

As if, man can make this water:

Revelation 22:17 Amplified Bible (AMP)

17 The [Holy] Spirit and the bride (the church, believers) say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take and drink the water of life without cost.


4/20/17 5:24 PM 

followjesusonly
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Quote from isna_la_wica:
Oh, so you are like lud, claim that we do not do the fathers will and have a lic not too?


I am not following you. I do not claim that we do not do the Father's will. I don't know what you're talking about. Does Lud say we must not do the Father's will? What does that have to do with me? Of course WE MUST do it. Jesus says so.

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

Is there some part of Matthew 7:21 you don't understand?

Doing the "fathers will, is not taking credit for what Jesus has done.


I am not getting what you are saying. Doing the Father's will is from Jesus and is an entirely different issue from your doctrine of men regarding "what Jesus has done."

Where does Jesus speak to "for what Jesus has done"? It's the doctrine of men.

Doing the Father's will is what Jesus says WE must do. "what Jesus has done" is the doctrine of men, the "gospel" ABOUT Jesus, by men.


4/20/17 5:34 PM 

iam_resurrected
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Reno, NV


Quote from isna_la_wica:
So, after you sin, what is the acceptable length of time to wait, till you get re saved? How many times, do you get "re-saved"? Ever sin, and before you do, actually think, I will have to make sure I repent and get re saved after I do "it"?

Every body admits they sin, but by ritual or getting re-saved, all is good !

Only one problem, if your Salvation relies on you, the "new Salvation" will end up the same as the "old one". Sorry, your works and ability to be sin free, is going to fail.

Being re-saved by your works, is like jumping on board the RMS Titanic.













Just because God never leaves you does not mean you cannot leave God!!

I believe if a person is still praying, reading their bible and doing their best to be Christ like, they are limiting their sin output to begin with. They are doing this because their love for Yahweh creates the need and personal desire to be spotless before your Lord and Maker!!

On the other hand...the one that stops seeking Yahweh, reading their bible, discussing Yahshua to others, and choosing to be anything but like God. Has definitely become no longer saved by their own choice.

At this point, Yahweh cannot do anything about it. He won't make that person seek Him. He won't force that person to follow Him. He will attempt to give hints and reminders. But ultimately, it all comes down to what the person chooses.


4/20/17 8:54 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
Just because God never leaves you does not mean you cannot leave God!!

I believe if a person is still praying, reading their bible and doing their best to be Christ like, they are limiting their sin output to begin with. They are doing this because their love for Yahweh creates the need and personal desire to be spotless before your Lord and Maker!!

On the other hand...the one that stops seeking Yahweh, reading their bible, discussing Yahshua to others, and choosing to be anything but like God. Has definitely become no longer saved by their own choice.

At this point, Yahweh cannot do anything about it. He won't make that person seek Him. He won't force that person to follow Him. He will attempt to give hints and reminders. But ultimately, it all comes down to what the person chooses.


So what qualifies as losing Salvation, one sin, two sins, three sins?

Or the quality of sin?

You go 3 years, never do nothing wrong, then in a weak moment, think too much of a girl you see, get hit by a Car, and God zaps you to Hell?

Poor, lud- o- lites if they get in an accident on the way to confession, and not on the way home ,eh?

Actually, it bothers me not at all if someone thinks this. But its all of your lies claiming that those of us who claim we have the security of being adopted by God, say we can have a lic that to sin that gets me.

Not you or Lud , can quote one time where any of us said we can sin all we want or have a lic to sin.

I missed the mark today sure. And nope, I do not think God would have zapped me to Hell if I had died at the second I had that bad thought or burst of anger about a Politician. But does that mean I needed to be "re saved", become an orphan, until I got adopted again?

Nope, I did realize though that I was acting on my spirit, not Christs. And prayed accordingly.

Anyway, I had left over Lamb from Easter dinner, so that makes me a glutton and a Pagan anyway, to you lot.

Fact is, you guys accusation that we believe we have a "lic. to sin, is a lie.




[Edited 4/20/2017 8:55:39 PM ]

4/20/17 8:56 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Brantford, ON

So what qualifies as losing Salvation, one sin, two sins, three sins?

Or the quality of sin?

You go 3 years, never do nothing wrong, then in a weak moment, think too much of a girl you see, get hit by a Car, and God zaps you to Hell?

Poor, lud- o- lites if they get in an accident on the way to confession, and not on the way home ,eh?

Actually, it bothers me not at all if someone thinks this. But its all of your lies claiming that those of us who claim we have the security of being adopted by God, say we can have a lic that to sin that gets me.

Not you or Lud , can quote one time where any of us said we can sin all we want or have a lic to sin.

I missed the mark today sure. And nope, I do not think God would have zapped me to Hell if I had died at the second I had that bad thought or burst of anger about a Politician. But does that mean I needed to be "re saved", become an orphan, until I got adopted again?

Nope, I did realize though that I was acting on my spirit, not Christs. And prayed accordingly.

Anyway, I had left over Lamb from Easter dinner, so that makes me a glutton and a Pagan anyway, to you .

Fact is, you guys accusation that we believe we have a "lic. to sin, is a lie.




[Edited 4/20/2017 8:56:53 PM ]

4/20/17 9:07 PM 

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Imo, Any religion which says they speak for God should be banned, planetwide. They should have all their assets seized and all of their cells broken up. All of their clergy should be rounded up and banished to tents in a ten square mile fenced in area in the middle of Australia.

The Church speaks for Jesus.

The Catholic Church speaks for God.

The Church speaks for my Master the Lord Jesus Christ.

Catholic assertions are Jesus' assertions. The Catholic Church speaks for Jesus.

The Church speaks for God, and everybody's personal business is God's business. -Ludlow the Cathlick


He calls Jesus, "my Master the Lord Jesus Christ" yet he refuses to obey Him.

"Why call ye me, [your Master the Lord Jesus Christ], and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)


4/21/17 1:18 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Brantford, ON

Imo, Any religion which says they speak for God should be banned, planetwide. They should have all their assets seized and all of their cells broken up. All of their clergy should be rounded up and banished to tents in a ten square mile fenced in area in the middle of Australia.

The Church speaks for Jesus.

The Catholic Church speaks for God.

The Church speaks for my Master the Lord Jesus Christ.

Catholic assertions are Jesus' assertions. The Catholic Church speaks for Jesus.

The Church speaks for God, and everybody's personal business is God's business. -Ludlow the Cathlick


He calls Jesus, "my Master the Lord Jesus Christ" yet he refuses to obey Him.

"Why call ye me, [your Master the Lord Jesus Christ], and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)


Lud is one of the ones that claim OSAS is a lic to sin, and any sin requires being re-saved.

Yet, you back that position it seems in your first post and agree with him and the Roman Church on this issue. So who is your argument being made to , in this post?


4/21/17 1:40 AM 

followjesusonly
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Quote from isna_la_wica:
Lud is one of the ones that claim OSAS is a lic to sin, and any sin requires being re-saved.

Yet, you back that position it seems in your first post and agree with him and the Roman Church on this issue. So who is your argument being made to , in this post?


I back lud? Where? What did I say that backs Lud? What do you think I said that agrees with the Roman church on this issue?

Do you mean where I said that Jesus says you MUST do the Father's will?

I don't think Lud says that.


4/21/17 8:48 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from followjesusonly:
I back lud? Where? What did I say that backs Lud? What do you think I said that agrees with the Roman church on this issue?

Do you mean where I said that Jesus says you MUST do the Father's will?

I don't think Lud says that.


Lud says 10 times a week, the "lic" to sin lie". He and his Church are in agreement for once. You lose your Salvation if you sin and do not confess and get re-saved.He claims we have a "lic to sin" if we do not think we go to Hell after a sin and not getting it purged by a Priest.

All this stuff they claim, or the Pentecostals with their alter calls etc.? Is just a way for the Church to control people.


4/21/17 8:49 AM 

iam_resurrected
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I am not a firm believer that OSAS means "license to sin."

I know what you are claiming that from Yahweh's point of view, once you accept Yahshua He "will never leave" you.

My point is that it's clear by "free will" you can leave Yahweh. And if you leave Yahweh there is nothing Yahweh can do for your salvation until you choose to return to Yahweh!!


4/21/17 8:54 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Brantford, ON

Quote from iam_resurrected:
I am not a firm believer that OSAS means "license to sin."

I know what you are claiming that from Yahweh's point of view, once you accept Yahshua He "will never leave" you.

My point is that it's clear by "free will" you can leave Yahweh. And if you leave Yahweh there is nothing Yahweh can do for your salvation until you choose to return to Yahweh!!


That is not the same as losing your Salvation for a sin, that you did not confess too, is it?

Do, you think, one has to be saved, after a sin?


4/21/17 9:13 AM 

iam_resurrected
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Quote from isna_la_wica:
That is not the same as losing your Salvation for a sin, that you did not confess too, is it?

Do, you think, one has to be saved, after a sin?




I don't think accepting Yahshua as Lord, God, and Savior and turning around murdering 20 people and one should feel like they are repented and deserve salvation.

But as a child of Yahweh, I know when I'm sinning because I choose to continue on and commit the sin.

This is where I know I need repentance.

When a car slams into me causing damages and it pisses me off is where I understand Yahweh is using "common sense" towards my WEAK MOMENT!!

I still seek forgiveness over my reaction but it was an action NOT PREMEDITATED!!


4/21/17 10:00 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
I don't think accepting Yahshua as Lord, God, and Savior and turning around murdering 20 people and one should feel like they are repented and deserve salvation.

But as a child of Yahweh, I know when I'm sinning because I choose to continue on and commit the sin.

This is where I know I need repentance.

When a car slams into me causing damages and it pisses me off is where I understand Yahweh is using "common sense" towards my WEAK MOMENT!!

I still seek forgiveness over my reaction but it was an action NOT PREMEDITATED!!


Was the one who murdered 20 people, ever saved in the first place?

Intent in the heart is every thing you know. That is what the RC`s get wrong, in listing them all and saying how bad they are. We have to do that in our secular justice system, and then try and determine what the persons intent was.

But we know that the Lord knows what is in our hearts.

I look at it this way, the intent is more important than the actual act. We all do the wrong thing for the right reasons, sometimes, and vice versa. And something else that is ignored is not all are tempted at the same intensity. I for example, had a nice breakfast this morning and cup of coffee. Maybe some guy down the road, has not eaten in two days. If he steals some food, is that the same thing as me stealing a watch, because I want it?

Both are theft, both acts are against the law, but are they the same when it comes to Jesus?

This is my favourite verse:

Hebrews 4:15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

15 For we do not have a High Priest who is unable to sympathize and understand our weaknesses and temptations, but One who has been tempted [knowing exactly how it feels to be human] in every respect as we are, yet without [committing any] sin.

My Mom sent me a letter once, that I had never opened.It came when I was out of the country for about 6 months, and I guess my ex by mistake, stuck it in a box. Anyway, 10 years later, I am packing up her stuff after she left, and found it.

In the letter, she mentioned that verse. I was Agnostic some days, and others Atheist and had been for decades. I had been raised in a Denomination that taught every sin, meant one had to be re saved and if not, then its off to Hell you go. I just plain got tired of it all and figured I was a lost cause, so why bother? My parents had left that legalistic denomination after I had grown up and mover away.

So, I am reading this letter, and then that verse. It made me angry, like, really ticked off. No way it was true, just another lie. For I knew, he did not give a crap, and burned people for being, well, human. And I actually started reading the Bible just to prove to my self, how false it was.

And I was startled to discover, that it really was true. Shook me up bad, I spent tow years fighting with my self.

So, which is it, does he "to sympathize and understand our weaknesses and temptations", or is he just a sin accountant? Like a book keeper, adding the plus and minus columns, balancing works against transgressions?

If you look at sin as just the "act"? Then mitigating circumstances never come into play. That guy stealing food, is just as bad as I if I steal a shiny watch.

And if you look at just the 'act" as a sin. Then a guy who wants to screw around on his wife, but does not simply because of the consequences of getting caught, has not sinned. But we know, sin can mean that "intent", right?

One man, does not mess around on his wife, because of a vow , and he might go to Hell. Another does not mess around, because he loves his wife.

And that is how I see it. If you love the Lord, you are not going to kill 20 people, sure you still "miss the mark sometimes", we are human. If you only do it all to avoid Hell? Then were you ever saved to begin with?

Another thing that is funny. Far from thinking one has a "lic to sin", the opposite is actually true. When you love, you are under more obligation than the technicalities of law. Far from thinking I can screw around what ever, one becomes aware that even if you are technically, not doing a "sin", we sometimes get bothered for not doing enough.


4/21/17 10:39 AM 

iam_resurrected
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I am a definite big fan on the "intent" content of things said and actions done. It is part of my discernment theory. Understanding the "intent."

And I agree, one's intent is everything in the personal "walk" in Yahweh!! I also agree that someone accepting Yahshua and then murdering 20 people. Is not, or nor was ever saved.

So we basically have similar views I believe. I just prefer to be careful using the OSAS slogan, myself. Due to the fact, you can lose your salvation by your own choice. One never knows today what tomorrows challenge will present, that might deter their walk in righteousness. Many firm hard core believers have turned their backs on Yahweh over something. I pray that with my mind set now, that anything that presents itself before me in my future. That I shall never choose, to not call upon my personal Lord, God, and Savior, Yahshua!!

I do it now as much as I possibly can. So no matter what happens, it is a natural reaction to call on Yahshua.

I learned this concept from self defense tachings. You practice your kata so it becomes as natural as needing to take a piss


4/21/17 11:06 AM 

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In Matthew chapter thirteen Jesus makes it clear that OSAS is false, and salvation can be lost. All it takes is one mortal sin.

4/21/17 11:32 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
I am a definite big fan on the "intent" content of things said and actions done. It is part of my discernment theory. Understanding the "intent."

And I agree, one's intent is everything in the personal "walk" in Yahweh!! I also agree that someone accepting Yahshua and then murdering 20 people. Is not, or nor was ever saved.

So we basically have similar views I believe. I just prefer to be careful using the OSAS slogan, myself. Due to the fact, you can lose your salvation by your own choice. One never knows today what tomorrows challenge will present, that might deter their walk in righteousness. Many firm hard core believers have turned their backs on Yahweh over something. I pray that with my mind set now, that anything that presents itself before me in my future. That I shall never choose, to not call upon my personal Lord, God, and Savior, Yahshua!!

I do it now as much as I possibly can. So no matter what happens, it is a natural reaction to call on Yahshua.

I learned this concept from self defense tachings. You practice your kata so it becomes as natural as needing to take a piss


That should be our goal, yep.


4/21/17 12:13 PM 

iam_resurrected
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
In Matthew chapter thirteen Jesus makes it clear that OSAS is false, and salvation can be lost. All it takes is one mortal sin.






It takes one willingly enough to commit such a sin, first. Such a sin as a mortal sin, is one not made by "accident." Those sins are done with intent to commit the act of betrayal and rebellion. Which is the act that Satan committed and was booted from glory forever.




[Edited 4/21/2017 12:14:50 PM ]

4/21/17 12:46 PM 

isna_la_wica
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I dunno what "mortal sin " means.

There is only one unforgivable sin.

IAM, I do not want to derail Nubians thread.

Just curious, where do you get the idea Trump is the False prophet? I thought you did a thread on that, something in the back of my mind? Might have been a post you did on someone else`s but could not find it.


4/21/17 12:54 PM 

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The Catholic Church teaches that in order for something to be a mortal sin, three criteria must be met: (1) the action must be something seriously wrong (gossip, stealing small amounts, wasting time at work, spitting on the sidewalk are not mortal sins) (they are venial but not mortal sins), (2) the person committing the sin must be mindful that the act is seriously wrong (people who don't realize that contraception, heresy, looking at pornography, etc., for instance), and (3) the act must be done with the free act of the will. So yes, you are basically right to say that some intent must be involved.

What if someone commits an act and they are not sure if the act is a mortal or venial sin? Must that person go to Confession before he can be reinstated to the state of grace, or to receive Communion? The Church teaches that in almost all of these cases it is not a mortal sin, because mortal sins must be done with knowledge of the sin and full consent of the will. The Church teaches that the person should tell the priest in Confession the circumstances, and tell the priest he wasn't sure if it was a mortal sin or not. The person who is in this situation may receive Communion in the meantime, before he gets to Confession.


4/21/17 1:17 PM 

iam_resurrected
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Trump would not know who Yahweh was if Yahweh had his foot up trump's rectum. However, Trump knew to get Pence and together the Christians bought into the scheme. His message put me in mind how the devil would come at us in sheep(s) clothing.

But with Hillary being the "perfect" wh*re of Babylon (America(our forefathers were atheist and created the separation of church and state)) who almost shattered the "glass ceiling," Trump beat her with the very thing Nostradamus predicted what would happen.

The "false Trump" would preach "rigged election" and (defeat) "the masculine blond queen" for control of the "most powerful army" and lead us to the end of the world!!

It was eery seeing Trump beat Hillbillary with his rant of "rigged election" slogans!!

The pieces fit...Trump will get Israel the permission to rebuild their "temple" (some 70 years (70th week Daniel)) after Israel becoming a recognized nation (1948), He stole America and will do his bidding, He will create the "war" to introduce the "antichrist," and the rest will be as prophecy "written!!"


4/21/17 1:22 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The Catholic Church teaches that in order for something to be a mortal sin, three criteria must be met: (1) the action must be something seriously wrong (gossip, stealing small amounts, wasting time at work, spitting on the sidewalk are not mortal sins) (they are venial but not mortal sins), (2) the person committing the sin must be mindful that the act is seriously wrong (people who don't realize that contraception, heresy, looking at pornography, etc., for instance), and (3) the act must be done with the free act of the will. So yes, you are basically right to say that some intent must be involved.


I follow scripture and cannot find sins categorized. As far as I am concerned, if I see homeless person, and feel urged by the Holy Spirit to give them something and do not? I have "missed the mark". Yet there is no law saying we must.

What if someone commits an act and they are not sure if the act is a mortal or venial sin? Must that person go to Confession before he can be reinstated to the state of grace, or to receive Communion? The Church teaches that in almost all of these cases it is not a mortal sin, because mortal sins must be done with knowledge of the sin and full consent of the will. The Church teaches that the person should tell the priest in Confession the circumstances, and tell the priest he wasn't sure if it was a mortal sin or not. The person who is in this situation may receive Communion in the meantime, before he gets to Confession.


A Priest cannot read the heart, only Jesus can. And so they must deal with technicalities of the law. And that does not conform to the law Christ gave us.

We are to have higher standards being adopted as we are, and children of God.

I expect more from my children than I do others. For example, I would never knock a strangers hat off if they came into a room with Ladies. I sure would my Sons though. Because I know how he was raised.

Romans 8:2-4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

2 For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do [that is, overcome sin and remove its penalty, its power] being weakened by the flesh [man’s nature without the Holy Spirit], God did: He sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful man as an offering for sin. And He condemned sin in the flesh [subdued it and overcame it in the person of His own Son], 4 so that the [righteous and just] requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not live our lives in the ways of the flesh [guided by worldliness and our sinful nature], but [live our lives] in the ways of the Spirit [guided by His power].

We are free from sin and death. But far from having a lic to sin as you go on and on about? We have a higher obligation to full fill, and have to follow the Spirit.

But we have talked about this a thousand times before. And you will just carry on, ranting about the technicalities of law and accusing others of being law breakers.


4/21/17 1:59 PM 

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LICENSE TO SIN

Isna la Wici, of Brantford, Ontario, because he merely has the intellectual belief that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, is hereby issued this license to sin. He may murder, apostasy, steal, rape, fornicate, commit adultery, get drunk every night, and shoot up heroin, and still be saved. He may, in the words of Martin Luther, sin boldly, so long as he believes more boldly still.

All other OSAS believers on here---I'll be glad to make one up for you too.




[Edited 4/21/2017 2:00:45 PM ]

4/21/17 2:07 PM 

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Lud, you do understand that Isna stated: when he sins, he seeks forgiveness. It's just he does not feel a silly sin that only harms himself is not condemning himself to hell (like Blaspheming the Holy Spirit)!!

We are more held accountable for our decision to sin and bring "harm" upon others, not ourselves!!




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4/21/17 2:43 PM 

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LICENSE TO SIN

This hereby grants one Iam Resurrected, of Reno, Nevada, because of his mere intellectual belief that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, a license to sin. Iam Resurrected may murder, steal, rape, assault, fornicate, commit adultery, and blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. He may, in the words of Martin Luther, commit a thousand murders and a thousand adulteries every day, and still go to Heaven.

Anybody else want one?


4/21/17 2:46 PM 

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How is sinning and "STILL" asking Yahshua for forgiveness, living by a "License to Sin?"

4/21/17 2:51 PM 

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Ludlow says:

The Catholic Church teaches that in order for something to be a mortal sin, three criteria must be met: (1) the action must be something seriously wrong (gossip, stealing small amounts, wasting time at work, spitting on the sidewalk are not mortal sins) (they are venial but not mortal sins), (2) the person committing the sin must be mindful that the act is seriously wrong (people who don't realize that contraception, heresy, looking at pornography, etc., for instance), and (3) the act must be done with the free act of the will. So yes, you are basically right to say that some intent must be involved.

What if someone commits an act and they are not sure if the act is a mortal or venial sin? Must that person go to Confession before he can be reinstated to the state of grace, or to receive Communion? The Church teaches that in almost all of these cases it is not a mortal sin, because mortal sins must be done with knowledge of the sin and full consent of the will. The Church teaches that the person should tell the priest in Confession the circumstances, and tell the priest he wasn't sure if it was a mortal sin or not. The person who is in this situation may receive Communion in the meantime, before he gets to Confession.

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You are a very sick Cathlick man, Lud, constantly contradicting God and adding your own doctrines to Him. Whatever your stinking church teaches is irrelevant. You cannot replace the Spirit of Truth with your stinking church. Jesus sent us the Spirit of Truth to guide us into all truth.

When he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: (John 16:13)

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

Come back to God, Lud. Obey Him, trust the Spirit of Truth, and throw off the demon church that has you enslaved.


4/21/17 3:17 PM 

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Because when we seek forgiveness for a particular sin, we must promise God never to commit the sin again.

We might. We might confess our sin, ask God for forgiveness, and even sincerely mean never to commit the sin again, but yet commit the sin again. We are a fallen human race, a sinful race. We rise, we fall, we rise again with the help of God's grace. We must have at least the firm intention of not committing the sin again or we are not forgiven.

Isna says that priests in Confession cannot read hearts, and that is true. For this reason they are to give the penitent (the person going to Confession) the benefit of all doubts. If the person seems sincere to the priest, the priest is to go ahead and grant forgiveness, but this forgiveness is null and void if the person is not sincere. For instance, if the person confesses to shacking up, the priest should ask, "Are you still shacked up?" If the person says yes, the priest should withhold forgiveness. If the person says no but is lying, or has broken up with girlfriend Sally but intends to shack up with new girlfriend Jane but doesn't tell the priest that, then the priest is to grant forgiveness, but the forgiveness is, in God's Eyes, null and void, because the person made a bad Confession. Making a bad Confession is a sin in and of itself.


4/21/17 3:48 PM 

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
LICENSE TO SIN

This hereby grants one Iam Resurrected, of Reno, Nevada, because of his mere intellectual belief that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, a license to sin. Iam Resurrected may murder, steal, rape, assault, fornicate, commit adultery, and blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. He may, in the words of Martin Luther, commit a thousand murders and a thousand adulteries every day, and still go to Heaven.

Anybody else want one?


You think all you have to do is go to a Priest, do a ritual, and volia ,like voo doo it is all gone. Just to start again and rely once more on your works to maintain your salvation.

No way you understand:

Philippians 2:12 ?

New International Version
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

No maturity at all. very childish really. Its like a kid, breaks the rules so does "time out". And then Mommy( Priest) says, ok! And you are free again to carry on, relying on your knowledge of the law. Ah, yes, and you get off on technicalities by categorizing the sin.

A mature person, does not fear their Mom or Dad, or getting time out. They fear, failing those they love and the worse feeling is ever is knowing that you failed the Lord. But you do not get that.

I pity those like you.


4/21/17 4:06 PM 

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
Trump would not know who Yahweh was if Yahweh had his foot up trump's rectum. However, Trump knew to get Pence and together the Christians bought into the scheme. His message put me in mind how the devil would come at us in sheep(s) clothing.

But with Hillary being the "perfect" wh*re of Babylon (America(our forefathers were atheist and created the separation of church and state)) who almost shattered the "glass ceiling," Trump beat her with the very thing Nostradamus predicted what would happen.

The "false Trump" would preach "rigged election" and (defeat) "the masculine blond queen" for control of the "most powerful army" and lead us to the end of the world!!

It was eery seeing Trump beat Hillbillary with his rant of "rigged election" slogans!!

The pieces fit...Trump will get Israel the permission to rebuild their "temple" (some 70 years (70th week Daniel)) after Israel becoming a recognized nation (1948), He stole America and will do his bidding, He will create the "war" to introduce the "antichrist," and the rest will be as prophecy "written!!"




Revelation 13:11-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

The Beast from the Earth
11 Then I saw [a]another beast rising up out of the earth; he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke like a dragon.

-how do you interpret 'out of the earth"? I have read two theories, 1 is he comes from Satan, and one that he comes from a poor family. How do you interpret it?


12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence [when the two are together]. And he makes the earth and those who inhabit it worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

- is the first beast known then right now? Putin does not fit it, in my opinion. I know some people claim he does.

13 He performs great signs (awe-inspiring acts), even making fire fall from the sky to the earth, right before peoples’ eyes. 14 And he deceives those [unconverted ones] who inhabit the earth [into believing him] because of the signs which he is given [by Satan] to perform in the presence of the [first] beast, telling those who inhabit the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded [fatally] by the sword and has come back to life.

- how does this fit Trump? If I recall right, the "False Prophet brings people together in the world. Trump is divisive though..


15 And he is given power to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast will even [appear to] speak, and cause those who do not bow down and worship the image of the beast to be put to death.

Revelation 16:13 Amplified Bible (AMP)

Armageddon
13 And I saw three loathsome spirits like frogs, leaping from the mouth of the dragon (Satan) and from the mouth of the beast (Antichrist, dictator) and from the mouth of the false prophet;

-ok, this I can see in Trump,lol.

Revelation 19:20 Amplified Bible (AMP)

20 And the beast (Antichrist) was seized and overpowered, and with him the false prophet who, in his presence, had performed [amazing] signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were hurled alive into the lake of fire which blazes with brimstone.

- Trump, signs and wonders? He has never impressed me that way. What things does he do that resembles that? He is a con man sure, but not to the whole world. Out side the USA, he is the least popular President and western world leader ever. Even Nixon was acknowledged for his Foreign Affairs policies. Even Liberals admired his work with China. This one, I just don`t see.

Trump will get Israel the permission to rebuild their "temple"


lol sorry for laughing, but I had a vision of a Trump Casino on the mount, more than a Temple. Its hard to picture him as a Temple builder.


4/21/17 5:59 PM 

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If the Jews ever do rebuild the temple, will they, in this day and age, offer animal sacrifices in it? If not, would it really be a temple?



[Edited 4/21/2017 6:00:08 PM ]

4/21/17 6:37 PM 

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Quote from isna_la_wica:
Lud says 10 times a week, the "lic" to sin lie". He and his Church are in agreement for once. You lose your Salvation if you sin and do not confess and get re-saved.He claims we have a "lic to sin" if we do not think we go to Hell after a sin and not getting it purged by a Priest.

All this stuff they claim, or the Pentecostals with their alter calls etc.? Is just a way for the Church to control people.


I still don't see how you say I back Lud. I've looked and looked and don't see where I back him or agree with him. I have nothing to do with Lud's position on this.


4/21/17 6:42 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If the Jews ever do rebuild the temple, will they, in this day and age, offer animal sacrifices in it? If not, would it really be a temple?


I can only speculate, unlike those today who are so sure their prophecy stuff is right, I take this verse literally. :

Matthew 24:36 Amplified Bible (AMP)

36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone.

When it comes to the Temple though, it was already raised up in 3 days I think:


Revelation 21:22 Amplified Bible (AMP)

22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty [the Omnipotent, the Ruler of all] and the Lamb are its temple.

Plus there are so many issues. It would be impossible to replicate it today. And then there is the Priest hood that no longer exists. But lets say, someone did build one and claim it is, and start doing animal sacrifices again?

It would be an abomination to build it if Christ is the Temple, and to sacrifice animals? Another, as that would be replacing the blood of Christ with the blood of sheep and goats which never did take sin away.

Hebrews 10:4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

4 for it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.


4/21/17 8:16 PM 

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I agree with you on this one, Isna.

4/22/17 9:44 AM 

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Daniel gives reference towards the antichrist offering a sacrifice that is unholy within the "temple."
This "temple" clearly cannot be Christ because Christ never could be tampered with like this scripture reference, to a foul offering within the temple "that will reveal to the Jews" that "Christ was the Messiah" and this current person is the (antichrist).

It then speaks of 1/3 of the Jews escaping for the last 3 1/2 years of the "tribulation period." Revelations 12 speaks of the "WOMAN with 12 stars and moons" like Josephs dream before "his brothers" sold him of the "11 bowing before the 12th"...all references towards the last day Jews of Israel

(which currently since 1948 8 million have not only relocated back, but using the oldest known Turkish Talmud, preaching Christ is "dead" and the "Coming Messiah" shall return, Jewish historians have claimed over 186 years of history was lost but found making us almost at the 6,000 year MARK since Adam, and the "current Jews" are petitioning (3 times now) to rebuild their "temple" (which means: since they returned to Mosaic Law and looking for Messiah...they are ripe for "animal sacrifice").

Remember the scripture I use from the "original" verses used by 70 AD church:
Yahshua stated: He came to do away with all sacrifices. IF we did not stop sacrificing Yahweh will force His wrath upon us.

The "Jews" getting their "temple" rebuilt and begin "animal sacrificing" is not only breaking the Law of Yahshua/Yahweh, but it opens the door for Yahweh's wrath in Armageddon!!

The antichrist sacrificing impure offerings just makes Yahweh's anger burn that much more


4/22/17 2:45 PM 

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
Daniel gives reference towards the antichrist offering a sacrifice that is unholy within the "temple."
This "temple" clearly cannot be Christ because Christ never could be tampered with like this scripture reference, to a foul offering within the temple "that will reveal to the Jews" that "Christ was the Messiah" and this current person is the (antichrist).

It then speaks of 1/3 of the Jews escaping for the last 3 1/2 years of the "tribulation period." Revelations 12 speaks of the "WOMAN with 12 stars and moons" like Josephs dream before "his brothers" sold him of the "11 bowing before the 12th"...all references towards the last day Jews of Israel

(which currently since 1948 8 million have not only relocated back, but using the oldest known Turkish Talmud, preaching Christ is "dead" and the "Coming Messiah" shall return, Jewish historians have claimed over 186 years of history was lost but found making us almost at the 6,000 year MARK since Adam, and the "current Jews" are petitioning (3 times now) to rebuild their "temple" (which means: since they returned to Mosaic Law and looking for Messiah...they are ripe for "animal sacrifice").

Remember the scripture I use from the "original" verses used by 70 AD church:
Yahshua stated: He came to do away with all sacrifices. IF we did not stop sacrificing Yahweh will force His wrath upon us.

The "Jews" getting their "temple" rebuilt and begin "animal sacrificing" is not only breaking the Law of Yahshua/Yahweh, but it opens the door for Yahweh's wrath in Armageddon!!

The antichrist sacrificing impure offerings just makes Yahweh's anger burn that much more


God doesn't get angry. God is a perfect spirit being, perfectly well adjusted, perfectly poised, perfect in all ways. Anger is a human emotion attributed to God by men, men of this age and men of olden times. If the bible says God gets angry, the bible is wrong.


4/22/17 2:48 PM 

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Still waiting for isna, hopefully, to explain how I am just "like lud."

isna wrote: "Oh, so you are like lud, claim that we do not do the fathers will and have a lic not too? Doing the "fathers will, is not taking credit for what Jesus has done."


4/24/17 9:11 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from followjesusonly:
Still waiting for isna, hopefully, to explain how I am just "like lud."

isna wrote: "Oh, so you are like lud, claim that we do not do the fathers will and have a lic not too? Doing the "fathers will, is not taking credit for what Jesus has done."


You imply because one thinks they do not lose their Salvation for a sin, that they then think they have a lic to sin.

But I do think you realize the changed nature when one accepts Christ.In that you differ from Lud. He thinks Salvation is only avoiding damnation in the next life, and does not acknowledge the changed nature.

FJO, what passage in Daniel?

Sorry, been busy, had some damage to the house in a bad storm we had here.


4/24/17 2:49 PM 

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Quote from isna_la_wica:
You imply because one thinks they do not lose their Salvation for a sin, that they then think they have a lic to sin.


I do not see where I implied that. I do not believe that anyone has a licence to sin. Ludlow is obsessed with sin. It's a mental illness common to Catholics in particular called *Scrupulosity. All I have implied is what Jesus said, that you MUST do the Father's will to be saved. (Matthew 7:21) You must love God and love your neighbor as you love yourself. (Luke 10:25-28)

But I do think you realize the changed nature when one accepts Christ.In that you differ from Lud. He thinks Salvation is only avoiding damnation in the next life, and does not acknowledge the changed nature.

FJO, what passage in Daniel?


Not sure what you mean. I searched the page and can't see where I mentioned Daniel. Maybe you are thinking of Iam Resurrected.

Sorry, been busy, had some damage to the house in a bad storm we had here.


No problem. Carry on.

*Scrupulosity: The Occupational Hazard of the Catholic Moral Life
Mark Lowery July 01, 2013

Scrupulosity is a corruption of freedom. The scrupulous person is anxious that he has committed a sin when in fact he has not or is convinced that his venial sins are mortal when they are not.

The Descent into Scrupulosity

This is the kind of reasoning that can lead a person into scrupulosity:

It’s one thing to offend a human person. These offenses can be forgiven.
Things start to get bad when you offend a person of high dignity.
The more sovereign the person offended, the more dangerous the offense.
Things get really bad when you offend the greatest person—or rather, the three greatest Persons, namely, the Trinity.
Even if the offense seems minor, it is still an offense against an infinite being.
Though there are different degrees of sin, all sin is of one kind; all offenses against God are equally serious.
Given the inevitability of sin, there’s not much hope of salvation.
One is now in the realm of scrupulosity. It’s the occupational hazard of the Catholic moral life. If you take morality seriously, you are vulnerable to this error. Like most mistakes, it gets half the picture right, which is why scrupulosity is attractive. It is right about the seriousness of human freedom, which is not a game. We do have the power to dislodge God’s grace from our hearts through sin. But scrupulosity gets the other half of the grace/freedom picture wrong: It fails to take into account that God’s grace is so powerful that it is not as easily dislodged from the heart as the scrupulous person thinks.

Scrupulosity takes myriad forms. Here are a few descriptions that depict the errors a scrupulous person can fall into:

The scrupulous person may believe that the difference between venial and mortal sin is only one of degree. The misuse of freedom that offends the Trinity, of whatever degree, is serious.
The scrupulous person may believe that his faults are sins or are so rooted in sin that to show a fault is tantamount to sin.
The scrupulous person may believe that his psychological disorder is the result of sin, and actions stemming from it are sins. He may believe that those who think psychological disorders minimize or negate our freedom are wrong.
The scrupulous person may believe that having even a fleeting impure thought (maybe sexual thoughts or thought about revenge) is sinful. He may believe that we are able to control our minds completely, so that if anything impure enters it has been freely chosen and therefore sinful.
The scrupulous person may believe that any imperfection puts a barrier between him and God.
The scrupulous person may believe that our only hope is the sacrament of reconciliation, and because sin happens constantly, he must receive the sacrament continually.
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Ludlow has admitted to having been diagnosed with Scrupulosity by a priest. He believes, wrongly, that the priest cured him of his mental illness.


4/24/17 3:34 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Not sure what you mean. I searched the page and can't see where I mentioned Daniel. Maybe you are thinking of Iam Resurrected.


Correct, I messed that up!

Sorry.




[Edited 4/24/2017 3:34:22 PM ]

4/24/17 3:45 PM 

isna_la_wica
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The Descent into Scrupulosity

This is the kind of reasoning that can lead a person into scrupulosity:

It’s one thing to offend a human person. These offenses can be forgiven.
Things start to get bad when you offend a person of high dignity.
The more sovereign the person offended, the more dangerous the offense.
Things get really bad when you offend the greatest person—or rather, the three greatest Persons, namely, the Trinity.
Even if the offense seems minor, it is still an offense against an infinite being.
Though there are different degrees of sin, all sin is of one kind; all offenses against God are equally serious.
Given the inevitability of sin, there’s not much hope of salvation.
One is now in the realm of scrupulosity. It’s the occupational hazard of the Catholic moral life. If you take morality seriously, you are vulnerable to this error. Like most mistakes, it gets half the picture right, which is why scrupulosity is attractive. It is right about the seriousness of human freedom, which is not a game. We do have the power to dislodge God’s grace from our hearts through sin. But scrupulosity gets the other half of the grace/freedom picture wrong: It fails to take into account that God’s grace is so powerful that it is not as easily dislodged from the heart as the scrupulous person thinks.

Scrupulosity takes myriad forms. Here are a few descriptions that depict the errors a scrupulous person can fall into:

The scrupulous person may believe that the difference between venial and mortal sin is only one of degree. The misuse of freedom that offends the Trinity, of whatever degree, is serious.
The scrupulous person may believe that his faults are sins or are so rooted in sin that to show a fault is tantamount to sin.
The scrupulous person may believe that his psychological disorder is the result of sin, and actions stemming from it are sins. He may believe that those who think psychological disorders minimize or negate our freedom are wrong.
The scrupulous person may believe that having even a fleeting impure thought (maybe sexual thoughts or thought about revenge) is sinful. He may believe that we are able to control our minds completely, so that if anything impure enters it has been freely chosen and therefore sinful.
The scrupulous person may believe that any imperfection puts a barrier between him and God.
The scrupulous person may believe that our only hope is the sacrament of reconciliation, and because sin happens constantly, he must receive the sacrament continually.


Interesting, I did not know they had a name for it, but sure recognize it. Its the way I was raised, always worried about losing Salvation and going to Hell, because I looked at a girl in a mini skirt, or swore.

Its just not Catholics that encourage such stuff.


4/24/17 9:16 PM 

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The devil's usual attack on humans is to influence humans to make their consciences lax. If that doesn't work he seeks to make our consciences too strict, and one form this takes is scrupulousity. If we stay fsithful to the Lord and listen to the Holy Spirit, He will lead us in between these two extremes, to a true conscience that reflects God's true standards.

4/25/17 2:35 AM 

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Ludlow says:
"The devil's usual attack on humans is to influence humans to make their consciences lax. If that doesn't work he seeks to make our consciences too strict, and one form this takes is scrupulousity. If we stay fsithful to the Lord and listen to the Holy Spirit, He will lead us in between these two extremes, to a true conscience that reflects God's true standards."


"The devil's usual attack..."?

You seem to know a lot about "the devil's usual attack." How do you know that is "the devil's usual attack"? How do you know it? Did you make it up to cover your sins obsession"?

Do you have a special relationship with the Devil? How else could you know his "usual attack"?

And why else would you defy and contradict Jesus?

Jesus says:
"But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6

"WHEN THOU PRAYEST"

WHEN YOU PRAY, ANYTIME YOU PRAY, JESUS SAYS, PRAY TO THY FATHER.

But YOU SAY: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.

Is there something about "WHEN THOU PRAYEST" that you don't understand?

And I think it's pretty lame of you to suggest that "the devil made me do it" which is basically what you're saying. "He [The devil] will lead us..." you said. How exactly does the devil lead you or us? Is this really what you need to make excuses, the Devil, and you think he "leads us"? Do you think the Devil can get in your mind? Do you think he reads your mind and your thoughts and implants thoughts there? The Devil? Do you think the Devil can read everyone's mind?

I think your explanations are symptomatic of your illnesses and your denial.

Can you spell s-c-h-i-z-o-p-h-r-e-n-i-a ?

Our schizophrenic lady friend in Texas says that the Devil can read the minds of everyone on earth. Do you believe that?

If someone would repost this that would be nice.


4/25/17 5:21 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from followjesusonly:
"The devil's usual attack..."?

You seem to know a lot about "the devil's usual attack." How do you know that is "the devil's usual attack"? How do you know it? Did you make it up to cover your sins obsession"?

Do you have a special relationship with the Devil? How else could you know his "usual attack"?

And why else would you defy and contradict Jesus?

Jesus says:
"But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6

"WHEN THOU PRAYEST"

WHEN YOU PRAY, ANYTIME YOU PRAY, JESUS SAYS, PRAY TO THY FATHER.

But YOU SAY: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.

Is there something about "WHEN THOU PRAYEST" that you don't understand?

And I think it's pretty lame of you to suggest that "the devil made me do it" which is basically what you're saying. "He [The devil] will lead us..." you said. How exactly does the devil lead you or us? Is this really what you need to make excuses, the Devil, and you think he "leads us"? Do you think the Devil can get in your mind? Do you think he reads your mind and your thoughts and implants thoughts there? The Devil? Do you think the Devil can read everyone's mind?

I think your explanations are symptomatic of your illnesses and your denial.

Can you spell s-c-h-i-z-o-p-h-r-e-n-i-a ?

Our schizophrenic lady friend in Texas says that the Devil can read the minds of everyone on earth. Do you believe that?

If someone would repost this that would be nice.



I agree that the adversary has no power on his own, he only has the power we give him.

When we sin, it is our sin, not Adams, not Eves and not Satan.

Hebrews 4:15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

15 For we do not have a High Priest who is unable to sympathize and understand our weaknesses and temptations, but One who has been tempted [knowing exactly how it feels to be human] in every respect as we are, yet without [committing any] sin.

Jesus was tempted as we are, and as adopted sons and daughters , do we have any less power to avoid temptation?

But Lud rejects the regenerative nature of Christ, and believes only the fear of Hell can stop us from sin. And that is not love.


4/25/17 9:07 AM 

iam_resurrected
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Something else I feel falls under the OSAS lines, or could:

Here is a post that I responded with that I feel "leads" to another miscue by the Roman pagan Church: "about being born into sin"



What I learned as a child, I discovered from being a parent!!

And that was that my children came into this world under my guidelines, my precepts, my direction, my care, my way of thinking, my spiritual path direction and due to my choices.

Knowing this much, I can look back onto my own childhood and can see where choices I made were skewed by being "under those conditions" of my earthly father and mother.

This is not ignorance therefore on my part. I was making the correct decisions as a child based upon my environment knowledge. But ultimately, those decisions I made then I would never make now due to choosing on my own merits. However, like my children. When I was a child, I did as I only knew what was instructed of me to do. Even as an adult, I must follow someone's direction for a business to work (etc).

I think back onto something we believed within the inner most part of my grandfather's circle. We believe: that a child born: is not judged by Yahweh until it is old enough to know, the choices it makes has a difference between right and wrong.

Therefore, I would agree. If Yahweh has mercy upon us before we can be accountable (baby to 3) then how can we actually be born into sin? "IF" we were in sin at birth, it would makes no sense for Yahweh to have "mercy" upon us when we know no better!! Since HE does have mercy, it appears then, the "WE ARE BORN INTO SIN" is ANOTHER Roman pagan Catholic LIE!!




[Edited 4/25/2017 9:07:48 AM ]

4/25/17 11:59 AM 

ludlowlowell
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You're wrong, Isna. I do believe in the regenerative nature of Jesus's plan and mission.

Why did Jesus found the Church and create the Church's seven sacraments (Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, Confession, Communion, Anointing, and Matrimony)? Precisely to regenerate the human race, and to SAVE the world, or at least those people in the world wise enough to repent, from the very Hell that Jesus made it so clear existed.

John 3:16 applies to the Catholic Church just like it applies to Christ---God so loved the world that He created the Catholic Church, not so that the world could be condenmed, but by membership in the Church, and following the Church's precepts, the world might be saved.


4/25/17 5:32 PM 

followjesusonly
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Kingman, AZ


Lud says:
"Why did Jesus found the Church and create the Church's seven sacraments (Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, Confession, Communion, Anointing, and Matrimony)?"

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Why do you lie with questions, Lud?

Jesus did not "found the [Roman Catholic] Church and create the [Roman Catholic] Church's seven sacraments (Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, Confession, Communion, Anointing, and Matrimony).

You lie when you ask leading questions.

The only sacrament Jesus established was The Remembrance Supper, which your church has transformed into a grotesque, paganistic, cannibalistic rote re-crucifixion of Jesus, over and over again.


4/25/17 6:01 PM 

followjesusonly
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Kingman, AZ


If possible, I would like someone to repost this. I think it's important that Ludlow address this. Thanks.

Ludlow says:
"The devil's usual attack on humans is to influence humans to make their consciences lax. If that doesn't work he seeks to make our consciences too strict, and one form this takes is scrupulousity. If we stay fsithful to the Lord and listen to the Holy Spirit, He will lead us in between these two extremes, to a true conscience that reflects God's true standards."


"The devil's usual attack..."?

You seem to know a lot about "the devil's usual attack." How do you know that is "the devil's usual attack"? Does he share his "usual attack" plans and practices with you? How do you know it?

Do you have a special relationship with the Devil? How else could you know his "usual attack"? Does this happen a lot to you? Are you under siege by the Devil?

And I think it's pretty lame of you to suggest that "the devil made me do it" which is basically what you're saying. "He [The devil] will lead us..." you said.

How exactly does the devil lead you or us?

Do you think the Devil can get in your mind? Do you think he reads your mind and your thoughts and implants thoughts there? The Devil? Do you think the Devil can read everyone's mind, or just your mind? Do you hear his voice? Do you hear evil voices in your head?

Please tell us the manner of how the Devil leads you and influences you, apparently against your will. Tell us how he does it. Please tell us the method the Devil uses to make your conscience lax, or too strict. Tell us how that works, how it happens, how the Devil does it.


4/25/17 8:31 PM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

Quote from iam_resurrected:
Something else I feel falls under the OSAS lines, or could:

Here is a post that I responded with that I feel "leads" to another miscue by the Roman pagan Church: "about being born into sin"



What I learned as a child, I discovered from being a parent!!

And that was that my children came into this world under my guidelines, my precepts, my direction, my care, my way of thinking, my spiritual path direction and due to my choices.

Knowing this much, I can look back onto my own childhood and can see where choices I made were skewed by being "under those conditions" of my earthly father and mother.

This is not ignorance therefore on my part. I was making the correct decisions as a child based upon my environment knowledge. But ultimately, those decisions I made then I would never make now due to choosing on my own merits. However, like my children. When I was a child, I did as I only knew what was instructed of me to do. Even as an adult, I must follow someone's direction for a business to work (etc).

I think back onto something we believed within the inner most part of my grandfather's circle. We believe: that a child born: is not judged by Yahweh until it is old enough to know, the choices it makes has a difference between right and wrong.

Therefore, I would agree. If Yahweh has mercy upon us before we can be accountable (baby to 3) then how can we actually be born into sin? "IF" we were in sin at birth, it would makes no sense for Yahweh to have "mercy" upon us when we know no better!! Since HE does have mercy, it appears then, the "WE ARE BORN INTO SIN" is ANOTHER Roman pagan Catholic LIE!!


I do not believe in the doctrine of original inherited sin, which was a spin off of the Total depravity of man doctrine.

It jas to read into Genesis Chapter 3, and even though the word sin appears, I think, 300 some times in Scripture? It is not even mentioned until much later, when Cain killed his brother.

I agree.


4/25/17 8:33 PM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

Quote from ludlowlowell:
You're wrong, Isna. I do believe in the regenerative nature of Jesus's plan and mission.

Why did Jesus found the Church and create the Church's seven sacraments (Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, Confession, Communion, Anointing, and Matrimony)? Precisely to regenerate the human race, and to SAVE the world, or at least those people in the world wise enough to repent, from the very Hell that Jesus made it so clear existed.

John 3:16 applies to the Catholic Church just like it applies to Christ---God so loved the world that He created the Catholic Church, not so that the world could be condenmed, but by membership in the Church, and following the Church's precepts, the world might be saved.


Bull.

You do not.

You keep claiming we have a lic to sin and like to sin, and that is why we believe as we do.

If you believed that? Then you would not be so hung up on it and attacking people all the bloody time.


4/26/17 3:46 PM 

ludlowlowell
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I don't attack people. I attack false belief systems, belief systems that lead people to Hell.

4/26/17 4:20 PM 

followjesusonly
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Kingman, AZ


Lud says:
"I don't attack people. I attack false belief systems, belief systems that lead people to Hell."

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There is no Hell. You're a very sick Catholic man, Lud.

And I want to know how you know so much about the Devil's "usual attack" practices.

"The devil's usual attack..., you said.

You seem to know a lot about "the devil's usual attack." How do you know that is "the devil's usual attack"? Does he share his "usual attack" plans and practices with you? How do you know it?

Do you have a special relationship with the Devil? How else could you know his "usual attack"? Does this happen a lot to you? Are you under siege by the Devil?

And I think it's pretty lame of you to suggest that "the devil made me do it" which is basically what you're saying. "He [The devil] will lead us..." you said.

How exactly does the devil lead you or us?

Do you think the Devil can get in your mind? Do you think he reads your mind and your thoughts and implants thoughts there? The Devil? Do you think the Devil can read everyone's mind, or just your mind? Do you hear his voice? Do you hear evil voices in your head?

Please tell us the manner of how the Devil leads you and influences you, apparently against your will. Tell us how he does it. Please tell us the method the Devil uses to make your conscience lax, or too strict. Tell us how that works, how it happens, how the Devil does it.


4/26/17 5:59 PM 

isna_la_wica
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,574)
Brantford, ON

Quote from ludlowlowell:
I don't attack people. I attack false belief systems, belief systems that lead people to Hell.


You lie.

lud

[quoteLICENSE TO SIN

Isna la Wici, of Brantford, Ontario, because he merely has the intellectual belief that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, is hereby issued this license to sin. He may murder, apostasy, steal, rape, fornicate, commit adultery, get drunk every night, and shoot up heroin, and still be saved. He may, in the words of Martin Luther, sin boldly, so long as he believes more boldly still.

All other OSAS believers on here---I'll be glad to make one up for you too.

Man, your pants must be burning Pinocchio.


4/26/17 6:21 PM 

followjesusonly
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Kingman, AZ


Quote from isna_la_wica:
Man, your pants must be burning Pinocchio.




Nicely mixed two metaphors. I like it.


4/26/17 10:08 PM 

followjesusonly
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Kingman, AZ


Lud says:
"I don't attack people. I attack false belief systems, belief systems that lead people to Hell."

==========================================================================

"[Pope] Francis is an utter idiot and is one of the worst popes in history." -Ludlow, the phony one who says he doesn't attack people.

You're the one who has a false belief system, Lud. You're probably the one who is going to Hell for it, if there is a Hell.

Jesus says: "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6

Ludlow/Satan's false belief system contradicting God: "I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety."


4/27/17 11:39 AM 

ludlowlowell
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That's not an attack on you, that's an attack on your false and man-made belief system.

4/27/17 2:12 PM 

followjesusonly
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Kingman, AZ


Lud says:
"That's not an attack on you, that's an attack on your false and man-made belief system."

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It's YOU, Lud, who has a false, man-made belief system.

Your system is obviously false and man-made since you and your system contradict God and refuse to obey Him. And you even trash your infallible pope.

"...if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Matthew 6:14)

But Ludlow/Satan contradicts Jesus and says: "God forgives repentant sinners only. God does not forgive everyone who forgives others."

"But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6

Ludlow/Satan: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

Catholics give Jesus the finger on that one too.

Your religion cannot be true, Lud.

And tell us how the Devil leads you with his "usual attack" as you said, and how you know about his "usual attack."


4/27/17 4:21 PM 

ludlowlowell
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Panama City, FL
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
Something else I feel falls under the OSAS lines, or could:

Here is a post that I responded with that I feel "leads" to another miscue by the Roman pagan Church: "about being born into sin"



What I learned as a child, I discovered from being a parent!!

And that was that my children came into this world under my guidelines, my precepts, my direction, my care, my way of thinking, my spiritual path direction and due to my choices.

Knowing this much, I can look back onto my own childhood and can see where choices I made were skewed by being "under those conditions" of my earthly father and mother.

This is not ignorance therefore on my part. I was making the correct decisions as a child based upon my environment knowledge. But ultimately, those decisions I made then I would never make now due to choosing on my own merits. However, like my children. When I was a child, I did as I only knew what was instructed of me to do. Even as an adult, I must follow someone's direction for a business to work (etc).

I think back onto something we believed within the inner most part of my grandfather's circle. We believe: that a child born: is not judged by Yahweh until it is old enough to know, the choices it makes has a difference between right and wrong.

Therefore, I would agree. If Yahweh has mercy upon us before we can be accountable (baby to 3) then how can we actually be born into sin? "IF" we were in sin at birth, it would makes no sense for Yahweh to have "mercy" upon us when we know no better!! Since HE does have mercy, it appears then, the "WE ARE BORN INTO SIN" is ANOTHER Roman pagan Catholic LIE!!


If the doctrine of original sin is a "Roman pagan Catholic lie", please explain Romans 5:12.