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2/9/17 3:39 PM 
mindya
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(Luke 21:29 KJV) And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees

(Luke 21:30 KJV) When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

(Luke 21:31 KJV) So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

(Luke 21:32 KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

The dispensational claim that the fig tree spoken of in the above refers to the nation of Is.rael in 1948, 1967 or some other date is based on zero evidence and is a "theological invention".

Adolphius Knochus comments:

The fig tree pictures Is.rael politically. Like that one which the Lord cursed, the nation in this aspect withered away and has had no political status until recent years. When their right to a home in Palestine was acknowledged, and they became the subject of international diplomacy, it became necessary to recognize them as a nation.

Zion.ism has kindled their national aspirations and was a token that the branches of the fig tree were preparing to bud. The British declaration giving them a home in Palestine, and their efforts to reclaim and repopulate the land of their forefathers, are sure indications that Is.rael's winter is nearly past and her summer is near.


"The fig tree pictures Is.rael politically" - no it does not - it was referring to signs accompanying the destruction of Jerusalem in the 1st century AD.

The lead up to the "fig tree" is this:

(Luke 21:6 KJV) As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Jesus continues with the signs of those times in the continuing verses:

(Luke 21:12 KJV) But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

(Luke 21:13 KJV) And it shall turn to YOU for a testimony.

The YOU is referring to the apostles - did anybody see John, Peter or Paul in Jerusalem in 1948 or 1967? Nope.

(Luke 21:20 KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

As the fig tree and all the other trees leaves shoot forth towards summer so we know that summer is approaching.

Then so would the apostles and disciples would know that the kingdom was near - Jesus is not identifying Is.rael as the fig tree, he using it as an example of timing of the season.


"So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand."


Adam Clark who is not a preterist - bolded for those with bad eyes..

Learn a parable of the fig-tree - That is, These signs which I have given you will be as infallible a proof of the approaching ruin of the Jewish state as the budding of the trees is a proof of the coming summer.



The above comment on Matt 24:23

Adam Clarke on Luke 21:31

Verse 31
The kingdom of God is nigh at hand - After the destruction of the Jewish state, the doctrine of Christ crucified shall be preached every where, and every where prevail.



"Behold the fig tree, and all the trees" - did all the other "trees" bud in 1948 or 1967 - no

There is nothing in the verses that the dispensationlists can legitimately use to identify the fig tree with the current nation of Is.rael or any nation.


"Nada - zip".


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2/9/17 4:13 PM 

ludlowlowell
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The Kingdom of God and the Catholic Church are one and the same.

2/9/17 4:45 PM 

looptex1
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The Kingdom of God and the Catholic Church are one and the same.
wrong..the Catholic Church is a visible building with members and requirements to be a member.
The kingdom of God is within you.


2/9/17 4:46 PM 

ludlowlowell
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The Catholic Church is in me. I love it in my heart.

2/9/17 7:16 PM 

isna_la_wica
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This guy seems to agree with you:
As I understand the doctrine, the question centers on a statement Jesus made in Matthew 24:32-35, "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." The doctrine says that because Joel 1:7 and Hosea 9:10 both equate the fig tree to Israel, that must therefore imply that Jesus is also referring to Israel in this passage. From there, the doctrine that I saw tries to make several points about Israel's role in the future, specifically as it relates to the end of the world.

There are several problems with this, though. First, Joel 1:7 is only mildly shadowed in metaphors and even the most liberal reading I could give it still only refers to fig trees that are within Israel. That is a very tough way to look at a metaphor. If the fig trees are within Israel, how could they represent the whole of Israel? Second, in Hosea 9:10, Hosea compares the way Israel used to be to a fig tree. It says, "When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your fathers, it was like seeing the early fruit on the fig tree. But when they came to Baal Peor, they consecrated themselves to that shameful idol and became as vile as the thing they loved." It is certainly a stronger relationship than what is in Joel, but it is still a long way from saying that the fig tree is Israel. I would say that fig tree in Hosea represented Israel when they were righteous and holy before God. What they had become by the time of the prophesy was something vile that no longer reminded God of the fig tree.

I also always wonder when people try to create a doctrine by substituting one set of analogies with another one. Do they pick and choose their references so that they come out they way they want? To answer this question I decided to look up "fig tree" everywhere it is used in the Bible. Here is a compilation of how it is used in the Old Testament:

Judges 9:10-11. Used metaphorically to represent righteous people.
I Kings 4:25. Used allegorically of a time of peace.
II Kings 18 31. Used allegorically of a time of peace.
Proverbs 27:18 Used allegorically to represent any thing that requires work or service.
Song of Solomon 2:13 Used metaphorically to represented springtime or beauty.
Isaiah 34:4 Used metaphorically to represent decay, death and destruction.
Isaiah 36:16 Used allegorically of a time of peace.
Hosea 9:10 Used metaphorically to represent righteous people or a time when Israel was righteous.
Joel 1:7,12 Used either literally to mean a fig tree or metaphorically to denote ruin, judgment, or destruction.
Joel 2:22 Used either literally to mean a fig tree or metaphorically to denote renewal or rebirth.
Habakkuk 3:17 Used either literally to mean a fig tree or metaphorically to represent famine.
Haggai 2:19 Used allegorically to represent famine.
Zechariah 3:10 Used allegorically of a time of peace.

In general, I would say that the use of the fig tree in poetic works of the Old Testament focus on the fig tree being one of the survival plants of the Israelites. It makes a good analogy tool because its fruit is sweet and highly prized, it produces fruit early in the season (and also late because it produces twice a year). If left unharvested, its fruit rots quickly. I figure that is why it is at the center of both a sign of renewal and springtime because after a long winter, its fruit is highly prized. It is also a figure of death because if left untended, its fruit is rotten and worthless.

In Matthew 24, Jesus is pointing to a "springtime version" of the fig tree. He is saying "read the signs and it will come about as you read them". The only reason to attempt to interject Israel into the discussion (for which there is no support in the passage) would be to try to get the passage to say or reveal something for which there is no mention.

So, to answer the original question: No, the fig tree that Jesus refers to does not refer to Israel.

Darrell Hamilton
Does the fig tree refer to Israel? - La Vista Church of Christ
lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2007/04-23.htm


2/9/17 8:11 PM 
mindya
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That's quite a list of topics on the hasta la vista site..

Took me half an hour to scroll down the page:

http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/articles.htm


2/10/17 5:57 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from mindya:
That's quite a list of topics on the hasta la vista site..

Took me half an hour to scroll down the page:

http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/articles.htm


I plan on going back there today and check it out. No idea what they are about, but I noticed that article on the Fig Tree .


2/10/17 6:02 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The Kingdom of God and the Catholic Church are one and the same.


? Luke 17:21 ?

New International Version
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in

John 18:36
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now, My kingdom is not of this realm."your midst."

? Mark 13:21 ?

New International Version
At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.


2/10/17 11:05 AM 

ludlowlowell
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The Catholic Church is not of thos world, either, and the very fact that worldly-minded people hate it so much is a strong sign that it is the True Church.

"If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

--Jesus Christ, Founder of the Catholic Church (John 15:18-19)


2/11/17 12:11 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The Catholic Church is not of thos world, either, and the very fact that worldly-minded people hate it so much is a strong sign that it is the True Church.

"If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

--Jesus Christ, Founder of the Catholic Church (John 15:18-19)


Your mixing up hating your church with hate for your version of it.

And that is one messed up bit-o-confusion, because more times than not, you support the very ones that call your Church the 'beast" or "wh*re". The ones that mimic the prophecy taught by ISIS, you actually support most of the times!

I wish the intelligent and sane Catholics would come back. I miss them so much.

Do not take it personal, in an alternative fact way, its not.





[Edited 2/11/2017 12:11:46 PM ]

2/11/17 12:35 PM 
mindya
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Looking at that Hasta La Vista site Rich seems to indicate they are a-millennial theologically wise.

2/11/17 1:14 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from mindya:
Looking at that Hasta La Vista site Rich seems to indicate they are a-millennial theologically wise.



They stress spiritual over physical "signs", right? Kingdom is Spiritual?

Beats wearing a tin hat at least.

I`ll have to look that up later. I know many of the saner groups and churches lean that way. Quite a few RC`s as well.

Kinda hazy on it though. Have to go to a due for Lisa Raitt, I am backing her for the leadership. Have to keep Tump village idiots like Leitch out , lol. Will look it up what I get home later.


2/11/17 2:25 PM 
mindya
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a-millennial's believe all prophecy is fulfilled except the "final" resurrection and judgment - and that the millennium is symbolic from 70 AD to the "end".

2/11/17 2:46 PM 
mindya
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Definitely a much much saner theology than dispensationalism, which looks for signs of Jesus' coming in the next newspaper headline.

When one prediction fails they just recycle their stuff for the next headline....


2/12/17 12:17 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from mindya:
Definitely a much much saner theology than dispensationalism, which looks for signs of Jesus' coming in the next newspaper headline.

When one prediction fails they just recycle their stuff for the next headline....


I am waiting for Obamas replacement as the anti Christ.

Pretty sure the ones who claimed he was, are going to mke Bernie sanders the "new one".



LOL, we should beat them to the punch. Start a 'who is the next Anti Christ pool".

I`ll bet a pint of Innis and Gunn its Bernie. Please no bets with the prohibitionists , I do not drink kool aid since I grew up.



2/12/17 7:23 PM 

ludlowlowell
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According to prophecies of saints and visions nean to saints several things will occur before the Antichrist comes. According to the above, revolutions will occur in Italy and France and the monarchies of both nations will be re-established. Russia will be converted to Catholicism. A period of peace will come to the world, the vast majority of the Jews will be converted, and the vast majority of non-Jewish Christians will fall away from the Church. The sacrament of Confirmation will go neglected in many areas and will become thought of as not important.

It seems to me that all this will take a minimum of two or three hundred years to happen, but I could be wrong.


2/12/17 8:16 PM 
cupocheer
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LUD, please read Revelation.

When the book was written it is reported that (paraphrasing) "the anti-christ is among us".

If you are claiming a newer, modern era anti-christ, please cite the OT prophesy and the NT revelation.

Edit: 'that has yet to be fulfilled' from OT prophesy




[Edited 2/12/2017 8:17:35 PM ]

2/12/17 9:18 PM 
cupocheer
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2/12/17 9:45 PM 

ludlowlowell
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There have always been antichrists (those who don't believe in the divinity of Christ) among us, but THE Antichrist is someone who has not yet come. When he does come, he will persecute the Church in a much worse fashion than ever before.

2/13/17 4:29 AM 
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2/13/17 9:02 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
There have always been antichrists (those who don't believe in the divinity of Christ) among us, but THE Antichrist is someone who has not yet come. When he does come, he will persecute the Church in a much worse fashion than ever before.


Its hard to imagine worse than what has happened in the mid east to the 370,000 Christians in Syria.

Between Assad and Putins bombing, ISIS and al-Nusra, no one knows how many are left. I knew two, both Catholics, and they both are gone, in the same week last October. One was covering the bombing in East Aleppo of hospitals and clinics, a very brave young man. He would take his video out in the open, while the bombers flew over head so they could be identified and of the bombs targeting hospitals on purpose.

No one cared though obviously.

And look at what they went through in Jerusalem, the siege was horrifying, people ate their dead kids.



2/13/17 12:03 PM 

ludlowlowell
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The Muslim perecution of Christians is horrible, all right, a persecution the media ignores or downplays. In Nigeria and Sudan and some other places in Africa Muslims raid Christian villages, forcing the people into various forms of slavery, including forced prostitution. Islam is barbarism.

But the Antichrist, when he comes, will make all prior persecutions look like child's play. The Antichrist will usher in "the Tribulation", as some denominations call it.




[Edited 2/13/2017 12:04:54 PM ]

2/13/17 12:27 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The Muslim perecution of Christians is horrible, all right, a persecution the media ignores or downplays. In Nigeria and Sudan and some other places in Africa Muslims raid Christian villages, forcing the people into various forms of slavery, including forced prostitution. Islam is barbarism.

But the Antichrist, when he comes, will make all prior persecutions look like child's play. The Antichrist will usher in "the Tribulation", as some denominations call it.


Muslim extremist`s teach the same thing, did you know that? Our Fundys in Christianity have simply just changed a few names is all.


-"The Mahdi is their long-awaited savior".

-"Their Messiah. He will establish the final Caliphate. He will destroy all enemies of Islam, in a bloody global holy war".

-"He will have an army, a massive one, going from nation to nation, to punish unbelievers".

-"They go to Israel, and establish his rule on the Temple Mount. All will then prosper, and all worship the Mahdi and they speak of no one else but him".

-"He will make a peace agreement with the Jews and the West for 7 years. The reign of Mahdi lasts 7 years, in which he establishes Islam. He will come riding a white horse and their own writings quote Revelation 6:1-2 as the rider on the white horse carrying a bow".

- "So to sum up, the 12th Imam, or Final Mahdi, will be a great leader, coming on a white horse, a messianic figure, unparalleled leader, out of a crisis of turmoil, establish a new world order, invade many nations, make a peace treaty with the Jews, establish a false religion at Jerusalem, kill non-worshipers, and rule for 7 years"

. - See more at: http://www.trunews.com/article/ancient-islamic-endtimes-prophecy-driving-isis-forces#sthash.zjVzrZly.dpuf

Almost the same stuff Fundys support. They also share their fanatic counter parts in Christianity about a revised Roman Empire and that the Vatican is the beast garbage.

Just saying, beware the strange doctrines inspired by the so called "prophets' in Christianity. They encourage waiting for things already available to us. And out side the USA, most Catholics would agree.


2/18/17 9:53 PM 

ludlowlowell
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I don't know where you got those quotes from, Isna, but they may be right. Maybe the Antichrist will be some kind of Muslim leader.

2/24/17 9:55 AM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I don't know where you got those quotes from, Isna, but they may be right. Maybe the Antichrist will be some kind of Muslim leader.


Why do you say that?

First off, I do not think this is future anyway.

Danial 11 says this, and it already happened, there is no Temple any more:

31 Armed forces of his will arise [in Jerusalem] and defile and desecrate the sanctuary, the [spiritual] stronghold, and will do away with the regular sacrifice [that is, the daily burnt offering]; and they will set up [a pagan altar in the sanctuary which is] the abomination of desolation.

But just for the sake of an argument, I will bite.

Why would he be Muslim?

I wonder if you over estimate their ability to make such a claim. Maybe that is why you fear them so much? I really cannot find many tribes with Muslim members that can really scrap. Like, Israel in all out war kicked their butts twice, even though they were vastly out numbered. The only victories ISIS has had was against un armed citizens and other Muslims like the Iraqui troops. But Iraqi troops are also kicking their butts, And we know how good they are, ahem, 4th largest Army in the world back in 91, and we took them out, is 2- 4 weeks?

Anyway lets look at some of the characteristics of him.

- he will blaspheme God, not something Muslims like to do at all

- he does the signs and wonders stuff, displays miraculous powers, is that big in Islam? I dont think so, not like in our Charismatic movement and their voo doo stuff.

-he rules in full authority, that would mean he can kick our butts. What Muslim nation can kick the USA/ British/ French/ Russian or even China's butt ? And scripture points to him controlling the world in both a military and economic way. I really cannot think of any Muslim economic power house. Yep they got tons of money from oil. But that can be cut off in no time. And this is where the damn liberals mess things up bad. With their protests they encourage Saudi oil.

But no Muslim nation is capable of controlling the worlds economy. . They cannot make Planes, Tanks, ships, cars, computers, like we can.

Do not google, just off the top of your head, name 1 Arab Muslim invention? I bet you cant.

-and he pretend he is Christ returning. What Muslim, can fool Christians into thinking they are Christ returned? I say that realizing many are gullible , follow the like of Jim Bakker,lol, but a Muslim pretending they are? Not even those snake handlers types would buy that .

I think that the notion he would be Muslim, almost as far fetched as the kool aid drinking "Villiage Idiots" ( Frank Schaffer quote) who say the Anti Christ is the Pope !

Do not drink the kool aid these fundys like Franklin Graham and Jimmy Bakker pour out lud. And any one that drinks the stuff mixed by by the ones that roll in aisle speaking goobly glockery languages. They like to sell that poison as well, if its not the Pope, then they claim its a Muslim !

They have never read any of the works by the Early Church fathers, they have never studied the languages the original scrolls were written in, they have never studied Latin ( which their fav English KJV translation was taken from} . They get their diplomas from seminaries that only teach their doctrines, then come out and make millions, claiming they are prophecy experts?

Think twice about what the Grahams/ Bakkers/ EG Whites/ Russels/ Van Impe`s / Knoch`s are trying to sell you.They are in it for the money, just con men who claim they are Bible experts on Prophecy.


2/24/17 2:51 PM 

ludlowlowell
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There still is a Temple---the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the New Temple, the New Israel, the New Jerusalem, and the New Synagogue. The Antichrist will come and devastate the Church.

It could be argued that Muslims blaspheme God by believing that He is a war monger and that He blesses their wars of conquest, that He approves of them rejecting the divinity of Christ, and that He approves of them enslaving and killing Christians, something they have done throughout their history.

In today's world the Western nations are far more powerful miltarily than the Muslim nations, but this could change. Powerful nations, in the march of history, come and go. Spain, France, and Portugal were once great powers; look at them now.

I didn't say absolutely that the Antichrist will be some kind of Muslim leader, I just said that it was possible.


2/24/17 3:36 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
There still is a Temple---the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the New Temple, the New Israel, the New Jerusalem, and the New Synagogue. The Antichrist will come and devastate the Church.

.


Where do you get that from lud? This topic is one where I completely agree with the RC church on. But you claim that?


The Dispatch: More from CWR
Jesus Christ is the New and Everlasting Temple
On the Readings for Sunday, November 9, 2014, the Feast of the Dedication of the Lateran Basilica in Rome
November 08, 2014 05:44 EST
Carl E. Olson

Readings:
• Ez 47:1-2, 8-9, 12
• Ps 46:2-3, 5-6, 8-9
• 1 Cor 3:9c-11, 16-17
• Jn 2:13-22

Some thousand years before the time of Christ the great Temple of Solomon was built. Previously, the tribes of Israel had worshipped God in sanctuaries housing the ark of the covenant. King David had desired to build a permanent house of God for the ark. But that work was accomplished by his son, Solomon, equally famous for his wisdom—and his eventual corruption due to the pursuit of power and wealth.

In the Old Testament the temple is often referred to as “the house of the Lord”. Sometimes it is called “Zion,” as in today’s Psalm (Ps. 46), a term that also referred to the city of Jerusalem, which in turn represented the people of God. The temple was a barometer of sorts for the health of the covenantal relationship between God and the people. Many of the prophets warned that a failure to uphold the Law and live the covenant would result in the destruction of the temple.

The prophet Jeremiah, for example, warned that having the temple couldn’t protect the people from the consequences of their sins: “Do not trust in these deceptive words: 'This is the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD’.” (Jer. 7).

In 587 B.C., the temple was finally destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians, marking the start of The Exile. During that time, in the 25th year of exile, the prophet Ezekiel had a vision of a new temple (Ezek. 40-48). The description of the temple, part of it heard in today’s first reading, hearkened back in various ways to the first chapters of Genesis (cf., Gen. 2:10-14), including references to pure water, creatures in abundance, and unfading trees producing continuous fresh fruit. This heavenly temple, it was commonly believed, would descend from heaven and God would then dwell in the midst of mankind.

Following the exile, the temple was rebuilt, then damaged, and rebuilt again. Finally, not long before the birth of Christ, Herod built an expansive, glorious temple. It was there that Jesus was presented by Mary and Joseph and blessed by Simeon (Lk 2:22-35) and where he, as a youth, spent time talking to the teachers of the Law (Lk 2:43-50). It was also the setting for the scene described in today’s Gospel—the cleansing of the temple and Jesus’ shocking prophecy: “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

Was Jesus, in cleansing the temple, attacking the temple itself? No. And did Jesus, in making his remark, say he would destroy the temple? No. But, paradoxically, the love of the Son for his Father and his Father’s house did point toward the demise of the temple. “This is a prophecy of the Cross,” wrote Joseph Ratzinger in The Spirit of the Liturgy, “he shows that the destruction of his earthly body will be at the same time the end of the Temple.”

Why? Because a new and everlasting Temple was established by the death and Resurrection of the Son of God. “With his Resurrection the new Temple will begin: the living body of Jesus Christ, which will now stand in the sight of God and be the place of all worship. Into this body he incorporates men.”

The new Temple of God did, in fact, come down from heaven. It dwelt among man (Jn. 1:14). “It” is a man: “Christ is the true temple of God, ‘the place where his glory dwells’; by the grace of God, Christians also become temples of the Holy Spirit, living stones out of which the Church is built” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1197). Through baptism we become joined to the one Body of Christ, and that Body, the Church, is the “one temple of the Holy Spirit” (CCC, 776).

“Come! behold the deeds of the LORD,” wrote the Psalmist, “the astounding things he has wrought on earth.” Indeed, behold Jesus the Christ, the true and astounding temple of God, and worship him in spirit and in truth."

(This "Opening the World" column originally appeared in the November 9, 2008, edition of Our Sunday Visitor newspaper.)
Jesus Christ is the New and Everlasting Temple - Catholic World Report
www.catholicworldreport.com/.../jesus_christ_is_the_new_and_everlasting_temple.as...

Jesus is the temple. To claim the church is the temple, means you are saying that the Church is the replacement for the temple. I have never heard Catholics say that before. That is what all the Christian Jewish wannabes claim, like the SDA and a lot of Dispensational -R-Us claim.

I know Catechism 797 states the Church is the Temple of the Holy spirit, but if you read on, # 798 describes this:

" The Holy Spirit is "the principle of every vital and truly saving action in each part of the Body."247 He works in many ways to build up the whole Body in charity:248 by God's Word "which is able to build you up";249 by Baptism, through which he forms Christ's Body;250 by the sacraments, which give growth and healing to Christ's members; by "the grace of the apostles, which holds first place among his gifts";251 by the virtues, which make us act according to what is good; finally, by the many special graces (called "charisms"), by which he makes the faithful "fit and ready to undertake various tasks and offices for the renewal and building up of the Church."252"Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Church - People of God, Body ...
www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p2.htm


And its impossible for any Anti Christ or group to destroy what is "spirit". If you believe in this future Anti Christ stuff? OK, but then it has to be something physical. And we know that human forces and even Satanic ones have no power over the Holy Spirit or soul.

Matthew 10:28
Young's Literal Translation
'And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.

Did, you just get the two confused?


2/24/17 5:26 PM 

ludlowlowell
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Jesus is the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is Jesus, Jesus expanded in His members (faitfhful Catholics) through time and geography.

3/7/17 5:29 PM 

isna_la_wica
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus is the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is Jesus, Jesus expanded in His members (faitfhful Catholics) through time and geography.



Sorry, Jesus is not the Catholic church.

Jesus is not a organization, building or document.



And if any one should know that? It should be those who claim they eat him. Are you a termite? Do, you eat your church?


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